Do You Haiku?

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  1. Pete's Draggin'

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    It's the hundreth post
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  2. Pete's Draggin'

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    The stars shine so bright
    Their twinkle journeyed so far
    Just to see a glimpse
     
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    Hip chat can be fun
    If the right people are there
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  4. Pete's Draggin'

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    You plant any seed
    Time will decide if it lives
    To provide more life


    One blade of green grass
    Or a living breathing thing
    It is all the same


    Don't take for granted
    Life that you have created
    It's a special gift
     
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    With a spoon full of honey
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  6. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    Haiku is based on syllables because it comes from the Japanese language, where each letter is a syllable, and less words can express more meaning.

    Also it can be 5/7/5, 5/5/7, or 7/5/5. Also in Japanese, it could be all be one sentence, or two sentences, or three. It is easy create this structure in Japanese and end in 5 or 7 syllables. But the most important thing is that it totals 17 syllables so you could even have words that exceed the 5 or 7 syllable limit as long as it is 17 syllables total.

    The Japanese will allow for an extra syllable if the meaning is exceptional.

    Japanese haiku must always have a seasonal word which indicates the season---it could be anything from an animal, to a weather related word (such as frost, morning rain, fog, snow, spring rain, bitter cold, etc), a holiday or festival, plants or plant related (cherry blossoms, roses, falling leaves, bare trees), human activities and the things we use (rain coat, snow shovel, harvest time, shovelling snow, winter coat, etc), to aspects of nature (harvest moon, etc.)

    Senryu is a satirical haiku, and does not always have a seasonal word. Haiku in English tends to be like Senryu.

    Japanese haiku is not meant to be simply read---one mulls over it like moving a good wine around in your mouth. You experience it, numerous times, and a good haiku could often illicit several different meanings and nuances. I have always been amazed at how such a short form of verse could create a whole subjective experience, and many include a spiritual sense that hints to a hidden underlying nature to the universe---as if it lifted the veil of physical reality just enough to almost give you a peak at the hidden underbelly of being.

    I used to not have much appreciation for haiku in English----but then one day I realized that it is an existential statement---just like senryu----a peak into the existential reality of our human existence----the good and the bad. (It was actually a collection of English Senryu, that showed me this----and they were done quite well.)
     
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  7. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    I compose haiku in Japanese----both haiku and senryu. A number of years ago I put a joke post in the foreign language section of HF for Japanese speakers, then I decided to explain it, and then posted a few haiku. People liked it, and so I posted more haiku with explanations, then people really enjoyed and so I ended up writing a better version as a blog on Wordpress (though whenever I go back and read it I see a few blaring mistakes in my English...)

    I have been to busy to keep the blog going for the past several years----but I still get requests to continue it.

    Anyway here is the start of the HF thread. I think I explained quite a bit about haiku in that thread and most if not all of the haiku are my own-----its been a number of years since I wrote it...







    If you click the arrow in the upper right corner of any of these quotes it should take you to the thread.
     
  8. Pete's Draggin'

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    Birds are amazing
    Some can hop up a tree trunk
    They defy Newton
     
  9. lion1978

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    The only purpose of time
    is to prevent everything from happening at once
     
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  10. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    I should have mentioned that, the rules of haiku I mentioned in post 106 could be applied to English as well, even though it is not always done so.
     
  11. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    That's a bad translation of a Japanese haiku:

    furu ike ya
    kaeru tobikomu
    mizu no oto

    It is better translated as

    the old pond
    frog jumps in
    sound of water.

    The Japanese follows the 5-7-5 format.
     
  12. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    There is another form of haiku---the death poems----this is a perfect example of one----except for one thing: In Japan the death poem was one's final haiku to the world, before death.
     
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  13. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    You are right----it was kawazu---a different word for frog.


    But kaeru is often used today when Japanese refer to this famous haiku----either one works because they are both 3 syllables. Kaeru is more common today than kawazu.
     
  14. YouFreeMe

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    Life ends quietly
    A whisper, a trickling tear
    The river flows on
     
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  15. YouFreeMe

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    Gauzy autumn sky
    The sun casts its weakened light
    On frosty crimson leaves
     
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  16. Pete's Draggin'

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    Have positive thoughts
    The negatives try to win
    Make sure they all lose
     
  17. Deidre

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    I have haiku writers block :(
     
  18. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    5/2 or 7... wait its not finished yet-----


    I have haiku writer's block
    5/2 or 7
    wait, its not finished!

    ;-)
     
  19. Total Darkness

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    I can understand
    It may come unexpected
    Then you may forget
     
  20. Pete's Draggin'

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    It will come back soon
    Try to think of simple things
    A cloud shape forming

    A moth fluttering
    A leaf dancing in the wind
    Just free your mind D
     

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