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#1 Zen_Master3568

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Posted March 14 2008 - 08:59 AM

MANUFACTURE OF LSD

Materials:

1. Ergotamine tartrate

2. Hydrazine hydrate

3. Hydrazide

4. Hydrochloric Acid

5. Sodium Nitrite

6. Sodium Bicarbonate

7. Diethylamine

8. Ether

9. Flasks

10. Filter paper

11. Heating mantle

12. 2 liter three-necked round bottom flask

Time: Approximately 36 hours.

Process:

STEP 1: In a 2 liter three-necked round bottom flask
add to 2 grams of ergotamine tartrate about 1/2 gram
of hydrazine hydrate. Exercise caution when adding
the hydrazine hydrate because it is very poisonous,
particularly to the eyes.

STEP 2: Place a condensing column on one neck of the
flask. Place a stirring device in the center neck and
place a separatory funnel in the thick neck. (Note:
hydrazide hydrate may be added through a separatory
funnel although it is not necessary.)

STEP 3: Place the flask on a heating mantle and simmer
the solution for 2-3 hours while stirring occasionally.

STEP 4: Remove condensing column from flask and continue
to cook for 10-15 minutes or until the original solution
is reduced by half.

STEP 5: After solution has cooled, pour the solution
through filter paper and collect the crystals that
formed. Wash the crystals in a small amount of
absolute alcohol.



STEP 6: Dissolve the crystals in about 30cc of diluted
hydrochloric acid. (Note: diluted hydrochloric acid is
mixed at a rate of 1 part acid to 10 or 15 parts water.)

STEP 7: To the hydrochloric acid solution add about
15cc of a solution of sodium nitrite diluted in water.
(Note: one part sodium nitrite to 10 or 15 parts
water.) Let this solution stand for about 30 minutes.

STEP 8: To this solution add about one teaspoonful of
sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to make the solution
basic.

STEP 9: Place this solution in a separatory funnel and
add to it an equal quantity of ether. Shake this
solution gently for about 5 minutes.

STEP 10: Separate the ether solution from the
separatory funnel and keep the ether solution. The
remainder may be discarded.

STEP 11: Cool the ether solution to 0 degrees Celsius
and to the solution add a solution of about .5 gram
of diethylamine mixed with ether.

STEP 12: Maintain the solution at 0 degrees Celsius for
24 hours, stirring it occasionally (perhaps 4 hour
intervals.)

STEP 13: Remove the solution from the ice bath and
allow it to stand at room temperature for about 2
hours, or until it evaporates. The remaining crystals
will be crude LSD.

Obviously you should not attempt this method without at least
some first-year state level Chemistry.

Please BE CAREFULL and post anyway you know how to get these chemicals or any success storys.....
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PS - Breathing in the fumes of these chemicals can send you tripping.... where a mask and gogles and do all chemestry in an air tight area!

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Posted March 14 2008 - 10:31 AM

Come on people, we are all waiting for results, now!
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Posted March 14 2008 - 10:52 AM

Hmmm I guess it seems legit, still alot of materials/equipment needed. I'll try it when it gets down to the simplicity of a red-neck meth synth.
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Posted March 14 2008 - 10:53 AM

man, if i had these chemicals, I'd be making LSD right NOW...

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Posted March 14 2008 - 12:19 PM

Alright I tried to search some of this and this is what i found:

1. Ergotamine tartrate-i found this with caffiene? you could buy some of this and extract it: http://www.valuephar...m/Cafergot.html
2. Hydrazine hydrate-
http://buy.ecplaza.n...ne_hydrate.html
3. Hydrazide- this looks like a pill...
http://www.allcareme...AZIDE.shtml.htm
4. Hydrochloric Acid- http://secure.scienc...-P6548C670.aspx
5. Sodium Nitrite- http://www.sciencest...hem-Rgnts/C2664
6. Sodium Bicarbonate- http://www.sciencest...hem-Rgnts/C2538
7. Diethylamine- http://www.neis.com/...ethylamine.html
8. Ether- http://www.tradekey.com/kb-ether/

And have you ever tried this, or just asking where to buy it?? This doesn't look hard at all, just a bit pricey..

and can this be put on blotter??
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#6 Zen_Master3568

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Posted March 14 2008 - 12:49 PM

Alright I tried to search some of this and this is what i found:

1. Ergotamine tartrate-i found this with caffiene? you could buy some of this and extract it: http://www.valuephar...m/Cafergot.html
2. Hydrazine hydrate-
http://buy.ecplaza.n...ne_hydrate.html
3. Hydrazide- this looks like a pill...
http://www.allcareme...AZIDE.shtml.htm
4. Hydrochloric Acid- http://secure.scienc...-P6548C670.aspx
5. Sodium Nitrite- http://www.sciencest...hem-Rgnts/C2664
6. Sodium Bicarbonate- http://www.sciencest...hem-Rgnts/C2538
7. Diethylamine- http://www.neis.com/...ethylamine.html
8. Ether- http://www.tradekey.com/kb-ether/

And have you ever tried this, or just asking where to buy it?? This doesn't look hard at all, just a bit pricey..

and can this be put on blotter??

i havnt tried it, i want to set it up in my closet becasue it makes big amounts so if i did it once, id be set for like 10 years i think its achol souluble so mix it with a bit of high proff drinking alchol and then you can drop it on blotter paper. thx for the info on the chemicals.... cant wait to try it!

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Posted March 14 2008 - 12:51 PM

Alright I tried to search some of this and this is what i found:

1. Ergotamine tartrate-i found this with caffiene? you could buy some of this and extract it: http://www.valuephar...m/Cafergot.html
2. Hydrazine hydrate-
http://buy.ecplaza.n...ne_hydrate.html
3. Hydrazide- this looks like a pill...
http://www.allcareme...AZIDE.shtml.htm
4. Hydrochloric Acid- http://secure.scienc...-P6548C670.aspx
5. Sodium Nitrite- http://www.sciencest...hem-Rgnts/C2664
6. Sodium Bicarbonate- http://www.sciencest...hem-Rgnts/C2538
7. Diethylamine- http://www.neis.com/...ethylamine.html
8. Ether- http://www.tradekey.com/kb-ether/

And have you ever tried this, or just asking where to buy it?? This doesn't look hard at all, just a bit pricey..

and can this be put on blotter??

I believe itd be harder to find the materials than just searching a few internet pages. It seems alot of the suppliers are out of the country and probably wont ship to usa. Even if they did it might get stopped by customs for being a large box. As you said probably would be very expensive. I just think the materials must be hard to come by.

whats with all the threads to make lsd anyway, isnt it cheap enough? haha

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Posted March 14 2008 - 08:16 PM

It's impossible to get most of that shit...only a few people in the world have the necessary credentials. And even if you somehow did manage to get it, the DEA would literally be at your door the next day.

File the whole thing under "impossible" or "horrible idea", and forget it.

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Posted March 14 2008 - 08:58 PM

this should be stickied
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Posted March 15 2008 - 07:57 AM

It's impossible to get most of that shit...only a few people in the world have the necessary credentials. And even if you somehow did manage to get it, the DEA would literally be at your door the next day.

File the whole thing under "impossible" or "horrible idea", and forget it.

Naw man, the only one which seems impossible to get is the Ergotamine tartrate, but you can get this pill called cafergot and just extract it somehow.
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#11 Zen_Master3568

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Posted March 15 2008 - 08:27 AM

Ergotamine tartrate actually occers in the ergot fungus.... so it you can find an ergot plant... you can find Ergotamine tartrate

also if you decide to use the Ergotamine tartrate from a cagerfoot pill, make sure the pill actually has Ergotamine tartrate becuase some of them have ergoline instead

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Posted March 15 2008 - 08:33 AM

as for the extraction of caffine --

http://www.chem.ucal.../351expt03.html
http://departments.o.../CAFFEINE-T.pdf

you can also soak the pills in water and then pass them through activated charcoal (this is what is done to decaffinate coffie) i dont know if this will work though because the Ergotamine tartrate may also be water souluble and then you would lose it aswell as the caffine

see-
http://en.wikipedia....s_water_process

http://en.wikipedia....n#Direct_method

http://en.wikipedia....Indirect_method


I know all this is a hell of alot to do but the yeilds are so high that only 2 or 3 LSD labs were running to supply for the whole 60's! in the end you will have enough LSD to sell and make like 7 times what you spent. :)

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Posted March 15 2008 - 08:55 AM

Ergotamine tartrate also has a much higher molecular weight then caffine. you could attempt to do some sort of weight extraction if the pill you get has only Ergotamine tartrate and caffine
ex:
you could grind pill in to a VERY pine powder then gently pour it onto the top of some water in a container with an easy to operate valve at the bottom wait for the powder to separate, some sould sink slowly others faster. once there is quite the space bettween the two you would start to let the water out untill the top starts to come down to the valve... then you shut it. now evaporate the water that was released and voulia..... Ergotamine tartrate

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Posted March 15 2008 - 09:06 AM

unfortunately, the ergotamine is probably going to be soluable in anything that the caffeine is, and thus perhaps a centrifuge may help, thanks to the molecular weight difference, but with 100 times the caffeine than ergotamine, youre gonna end up with imurities. perhaps not, if you have what it takes to make acid with that set of instructions anyway.

and as for the post at the top of this page regarding harvesting the ergot fungus - this is a huge scale operation, very low efficiency process, and the fungus grow on plant matter. not only this, but if you read into erowid a bit youll see someone had this idea only to find that when breeding ergot fungus in an open population, a lot of mutation occurs and most of the fungus does not produce the ergotamine molecule sufficiently. you need a heap load to end up with enough product to get pure ergotamine tartrate crystals from.
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Posted March 15 2008 - 09:09 AM

Ergotamine tartrate also has a much higher molecular weight then caffine. you could attempt to do some sort of weight extraction if the pill you get has only Ergotamine tartrate and caffine
ex:
you could grind pill in to a VERY pine powder then gently pour it onto the top of some water in a container with an easy to operate valve at the bottom wait for the powder to separate, some sould sink slowly others faster. once there is quite the space bettween the two you would start to let the water out untill the top starts to come down to the valve... then you shut it. now evaporate the water that was released and voulia..... Ergotamine tartrate


on earths natural gravitational setup, molecular weight means squat if the molecule happens to be dissolved in H2O, a chemical of most amazing properties. when you have all the filler of a pill and 100mg of caffeine in a solution, the 1mg of ergotamine will more or less be spread evenly, or at least, unpredictably, throughout the solution.
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#16 Zen_Master3568

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Posted March 15 2008 - 11:00 AM

Ive done my research and this is what ive come up with---- (all recipies require a Cagerfoot pill with ONLY Ergotamine tartrate and Caffine

Recipie one:
Ingrediants- Finely crushed up Cagerfoot pills
Candy thermometer
Double broiler set-up

1)Hook the candy thermometer to the top section of your doulbe broiler
2)Place in Cagerfoot Pills
3)Get the temature of the pills up to 400 degrees ferent hight (If to goes above 460, this is ruined, so be carefull)
4)Ergotamine tartrate's melting piont is below caffine's so if all goes well it sould melt and the caffine shoundent
5)Once the pills have become a sludge... add about 2 table spoons of water for every pill and mix well (remebering to keep temp at 400)
6)There should be two liquids and they sould separate (i dont know the density of caffine or Ergotamine tartrate so the Ergotamine tartrate could be the top layer or bottom layer)
7) take a turkey baster and suck of the top layer (eaither using that or using whats left)
-Remember when using the turkey baster.... its better to lose a bit of Ergotamine tartrate then have what you do have contaminated so you may want to leave a bit of the Ergotamine tartrate in the broiler as to not bymistake pick up some caffinated water

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Posted March 15 2008 - 11:01 AM

unfortunately, the ergotamine is probably going to be soluable in anything that the caffeine is, and thus perhaps a centrifuge may help, thanks to the molecular weight difference, but with 100 times the caffeine than ergotamine, youre gonna end up with imurities. perhaps not, if you have what it takes to make acid with that set of instructions anyway.

and as for the post at the top of this page regarding harvesting the ergot fungus - this is a huge scale operation, very low efficiency process, and the fungus grow on plant matter. not only this, but if you read into erowid a bit youll see someone had this idea only to find that when breeding ergot fungus in an open population, a lot of mutation occurs and most of the fungus does not produce the ergotamine molecule sufficiently. you need a heap load to end up with enough product to get pure ergotamine tartrate crystals from.

caffine is water souluble, Ergotamine tartrate is not

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Posted March 15 2008 - 11:09 AM

Recipie Two:
Ingredients--Cagerfoot pills
Hot water (at boiling piont)
Coffie strainer

1) place crushed pill in water
2) stir like theres no tomorow
3) strain and rince with water and strain again (repeat as many times as possible)
4) let water evaporate
This method is easier but will leave quite a few impurites

P.S. for both methods the pills need to be a VERY fine powder or the Ergotamine tartrate will carry caffine with it

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Posted March 15 2008 - 01:09 PM

Recipie Two:
Ingredients--Cagerfoot pills
Hot water (at boiling piont)
Coffie strainer

1) place crushed pill in water
2) stir like theres no tomorow
3) strain and rince with water and strain again (repeat as many times as possible)
4) let water evaporate
This method is easier but will leave quite a few impurites

P.S. for both methods the pills need to be a VERY fine powder or the Ergotamine tartrate will carry caffine with it

Wow, this seems a LOT EASIER than the first idea. Let us all know how the end product turns out [the acid i mean].
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Posted March 15 2008 - 04:31 PM

Wow, this seems a LOT EASIER than the first idea. Let us all know how the end product turns out [the acid i mean].

yes, but the second one will not separate the caffine compleatly and therefore may end up skrewing up the acid (i dont know if youll just get acid with caffine in it or it wont work)

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Posted March 15 2008 - 06:15 PM

True. But since its probably just a small amount of caffeine it won't do any harm unless you don't follow Step 2 (ha stir like theres no tomorrow)
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Posted March 15 2008 - 06:26 PM

to the op, have you done this, or anyone you know, what are the results? this dose seem legit but who am i to say what is legit or not im not a chemist

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Posted March 15 2008 - 07:08 PM

or you could do a LSA extraction from HBW & Morning Glories..... and put it into capsules...

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Posted March 15 2008 - 09:57 PM

yeah. there is a reason why there is only like 2-3 suppliers in a country or whatever somone said. is cause its fucking hard to get the shit and make the shit.

go and try and make some crystal meth, some e's , then when you done that, come back and see if you can make some acid. cause if you cant do the prior, you wont be able to do the acid.

start selling drugs now. make your way to the top. then with all the money you have, start your search for a fresh chemist graduate, and with your contacts get some hookups for those chemicals.
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Posted March 15 2008 - 10:11 PM

i think you would need, at least, a class 3 laboratory for all that shit......
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Posted March 15 2008 - 10:57 PM

Recipie Two:
Ingredients--Cagerfoot pills
Hot water (at boiling piont)
Coffie strainer

1) place crushed pill in water
2) stir like theres no tomorow
3) strain and rince with water and strain again (repeat as many times as possible)
4) let water evaporate
This method is easier but will leave quite a few impurites

P.S. for both methods the pills need to be a VERY fine powder or the Ergotamine tartrate will carry caffine with it


I dont get it? I dont mean to attack you, Zen_Master but your chemistry needs clarifying.


It was helpful of you to inform that ergotamine tartrate is not water soluable. But this issue makes both of your methods of extraction pointless, because neither of them involve a solvent other than water.

So what will dissolve ergotamine tartrate? its a big chemical.

but you cant seperate ergotamine tartrate from the pills with water, because your insoluable mixture will consist mostly of the pill filler.
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Posted March 16 2008 - 04:18 AM

I dont get it? I dont mean to attack you, Zen_Master but your chemistry needs clarifying.


It was helpful of you to inform that ergotamine tartrate is not water soluable. But this issue makes both of your methods of extraction pointless, because neither of them involve a solvent other than water.

So what will dissolve ergotamine tartrate? its a big chemical.

but you cant seperate ergotamine tartrate from the pills with water, because your insoluable mixture will consist mostly of the pill filler.

good point, this is why these methods only work if the pill caontains only ergotamine tartrate and caffine... im doing more research to find what else is in the pill and more info on ergotamine tartrate... hopefully i can figure out a simple procedure to sucsecfully extract the ergotamine tartrate
if the filler has a melting point of above 410 degrees then the first method would work, if its souluble in water, than the second method would work. i hope to come up with a diffinitive procedure soon......

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Posted March 16 2008 - 05:33 AM

Ok..... Here we go

The cafergot S pill (another version of cafergot) it contains twice as much ergotamine tartrate and 1/4 less fillers
These are the fillers

tartaric acid
lactose
hard fat suppository base

Items needed--
Pill
Candy thermometer
Double Broiler setup
Turkey baster
Coffie strainer

1- Hook up the thermometer
2- Place the pills into the double broiler and add one tbl spoon if water for every pill
3- Bring temp up to 460 (at this piont the whole pill should melt)
4- Once you notice everything sperating out into layers suck off the top layer (this is the fat)
- You are now left with some water that has the following things left in it -

tartaric acid
lactose
ergotamine tartrate and
caffine

- All of the above are souluble in water exept ergotamine tartrate though it is souluble in tartaric acid and tartaric acid is soluble in water -

5- Cool down and stir franticly while doing so
6- If all goes well then when you stop stirring, there sould be some cristals forming at the bottom of the broiler
7- Strain the mixture keeping the crystals and run crysals under warm water a few times to get rid of all the contaminates

- Each pill wil yeild about 1mg of ergotamine tartrate, though there are 2 mg's in the pill one will evaporate during the procces-

Or you could try this web site, i dont know if its legit though-
http://www.buyersgui...012047170&cass=


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Posted March 16 2008 - 12:56 PM

Ok..... Here we go
Or you could try this web site, i dont know if its legit though-
http://www.buyersgui...012047170&cass=


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The site's legit, but you have to buy it in BULK and probably need a license of some sort to get it. The sites I listed before are bulk too. Seems you know a bit about chemistry , and maybe you could pay a teacher or someone with the right license to get the stuff for you.
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Posted March 16 2008 - 03:11 PM

Going back to the first post, how much acid does this yield?




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